Logical ReasoningDifficulty: Hard

PT108 S2 Q13 Explanation

Ramona: One of the primary

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Stimulus

Ramona: One of the primary values of a university education is the intellectual growth that results from exposure to a wide range of ideas. Too many students miss this because they choose technical majors only to improve their chances on as quickly as possible only make matters worse.

Martin: But we have to be realistic. My brother graduated last year as an English major, but he's working as a waiter. Anyway, you are forgetting that even students to take some liberal arts classes.

What this question is testing

Agree/Disagree

Your task

Break the argument into its conclusion and evidence, then do exactly what the question stem asks with that structure.

Common trap

Answers that sound relevant to the topic but don't connect to the argument's actual reasoning.

Winning move

Predict what a right answer must do, then test each choice against the conclusion-evidence gap.

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The question
13.

The conversation most strongly supports the claim that Ramona and Martin agree with

Answer choices

  1. Too Strong: only1% picked this

    students are stimulated to grow intellectually only in

    Neither speaker said anything like "only English classes stimulate the intellect".

  2. Too Strong: only15% picked this

    only graduates with degrees in technical subjects get

    Neither speaker said anything like "only degrees in technical subjects get good jobs". They both probably believe that a degree in a technical subject can make it easier to get a good job, but this language is way too harsh.

  3. Correct69% picked this

    not every university class exposes students to a wide range

    Why this is right

    This is very soft language ... "at least some university classes do not expose students to a wide range of ideas". They both would accept this, since they both seem to get that technical majors are taking technical classes that are very specific to that technical undertaking. Ramona is agreeing with this answer in her 2nd sentence, because she's saying that students in technical majors (taking classes in that major) miss out on a wide range of ideas. Martin is more diffusely agreeing with this by being like, "Yeah ... it's true. Technical majors do miss out on the breadth that other university students might get, but we have to be realistic. Do you want wide range of ideas + a job as a waiter, or do you want more limited track of ideas + good job after college." The main indication of agreement is that Martin is defending technical majors by saying, "Look, it's not as bad as you think. (Sure, their technical classes are very limited in scope, but ...) even students in technical majors are required to take some liberal arts classes (where they will be exposed to a wide range of ideas)."

    Skill tested: Agree/Disagree · how this choice captures the argument's function is the move to repeat next time.

  4. Disagree11% picked this

    intellectual growth is more important than

    This seems more like where the two people disagree. Ramona is mad at the status quo because she thinks that students picking technical majors and missing out on intellectual growth are missing one of the primary values of college. Technically, she never compares the relative importance of intellectual growth to financial security, so we have no way to support that either person believes this. But in a gist-y way, Ramona is worried about intellectual growth. Martin seems more worried about financial security. After all, his brother is now going to be paying off student loan debt for his English degree by being a waiter. When he says, "But we have to be realistic", he's almost implying, "Yeah, intellectual growth is great, but it's more important that we get realistic about how this college degree is going to help us have a financially secure future".

  5. Disagree5% picked this

    financial security is more important than

    This is just the inverse of (D), so the exact same logic applies. In reality, neither of them directly compare the importance of the two, so we'd have a hard time saying that we can derive this position from either of the speakers. But we definitely wouldn't derive it from both speakers, since this trade-off between financial security and intellectual growth is the main area where the two would disagree.

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